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Skink
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This is shocking
Posted: 17 Mar 08 10:23 AM

Here is an article the I found about the  current Iraq war. Man, sounds like Vietnam.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/17/winter_soldier_us_vets_active_duty
DavidS
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Re: This is shocking
Posted: 17 Mar 08 12:17 PM Modified By DavidS on 3/17/2008 12:19:15 PM)
*sigh*

There are atrocities on all sides in every war.

In our wars over the past century or more, maybe even all the way back to the Revolutionary War, the atrocities committed by our side were fewer in number and less in viciousness than those committed by the other side. I have seen or heard atrocity stories from individuals who claimed to have committed them, but who obviously made them up. I started to read the article you linked to, but fairly quickly gave up on it as recounting likely false stories. I'd like to see the medals Jon Michael Turner threw into the audience. You can buy substitute medals in army/navy stores and online; they don't look exactly like the medals issued by the military, and if you know the real ones, you can spot the bought replacements very easily--and you don't need to prove you earned the medals to buy the replacements.

Even if the stories told in that article are true, that doesn't mean that such incidents are in any way common. So take things like this with a grain of salt.

Also, there are things that happen for reasons that don't necessarily make sense to observers or even participants, things that can be mistaken for atrocities, but actually have a legitimate military reason. One of the incidents Turner related sounded like that to me. And sometimes troops just go off the deep end after something particularly bad happened.

And remember what we used to say: "Shit happens."
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Re: This is shocking
Posted: 17 Mar 08 7:04 PM
During Desert Storm, I was in the Navy. I didn't have any major roll to play. Nor did i get sand in my boots.  I was a couple hundred miles from action, but felt the tension, desparation, and adrenaline of all those that were on the front line. Well what you can call a front line. I would without a second thought go active again to serve my country, and protect the flag and what that flag stands for. I will do what my Commanding Officer tells me to do, as a member of the Armed Forces. Because if i don't do as he/she has instructed, I am placing myself and countless others at risk of injury or death. They got the orders from Higher up then passed those orders down to me. I do not need to know why I am sent, but I do need the knowledge of knowing I can achieve my objective no matter what the cost is to those who are not in my uniform. There is a higher purpose to why I received orders and knowing that is enough for me.
What you are told as an enlisted personnel is STRICTLY ON A NEED TO KNOW BASIS. So, those idiot assholes, in that article, (i refuse to acknowledge them as any other than that), are basing what they are saying on ONLY the facts they were given. Which is NEVER the whole story.

SKINKIE...for god's sakes, do not take what they tell you in those articles to heart, man!
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Re: This is shocking
Posted: 17 Mar 08 8:08 PM
I don't. I am just letting all you vets know what is going on.
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Re: This is shocking
Posted: 17 Mar 08 11:37 PM
   
 Skink wrote
I don't. I am just letting all you vets know what is going on.


Sometimes Skinkie, it's best if we vets turn a blind eye to those articles, and a deaf ear to those idiots that speak without realizing their freedom of speech came with bloody hands.
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