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Andro
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what about those other proud units?
Posted: 23 Dec 09 3:14 PM
First off.. I like the starfist saga. I've read all the books and really love the stories. I am already looking forward to next week when the newest novell comes out (allthough I expected a force recon novell) But one thing I find rather disappointing. It is totally focussed on the USMC and there is no trace of other 'famous' units in earth's history. I can understand that the CMC is the heir of the USMC's traditions. But wouldn't it be logical that they would also inherit the traditions of other marine units? I was always wondering if there is a FIST commando who takes the tradition of the english marines or a San Marco unit, French Naval commandoes, Dutch marines etc. I find it disappointing that the books never mention those (if they even exist in the starfist universe) even though they are all fighting units as proud and professional as their American counterpart. Now the book sure doesn't need to be politically correct, but it would make sense since it is an earth unit and not an american one.
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Re: what about those other proud units?
Posted: 23 Dec 09 7:25 PM
 Andro wrote
First off.. I like the starfist saga. I've read all the books and really love the stories. I am already looking forward to next week when the newest novell comes out (allthough I expected a force recon novell) But one thing I find rather disappointing. It is totally focussed on the USMC and there is no trace of other 'famous' units in earth's history. I can understand that the CMC is the heir of the USMC's traditions. But wouldn't it be logical that they would also inherit the traditions of other marine units? I was always wondering if there is a FIST commando who takes the tradition of the english marines or a San Marco unit, French Naval commandoes, Dutch marines etc. I find it disappointing that the books never mention those (if they even exist in the starfist universe) even though they are all fighting units as proud and professional as their American counterpart. Now the book sure doesn't need to be politically correct, but it would make sense since it is an earth unit and not an american one.


Somewhere in Book 6 it states that the CMC has traditions from the U.S. Marine Corps and the English Marines. Other then that, I cannot think at the moment.
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Re: what about those other proud units?
Posted: 24 Dec 09 9:03 AM
Andro...I believe Dean and McNeal got a history lesson in boot camp over how the CMC is the great grandchild of the USMC and the USMC holds its origins to the Royal Marines and even further back to the Spanish Naval Infantry. Now it does stand to reason that with each world having their own militia that a French, Dutch or Spanish colonized world could very well have a Marine Commando Unit like the Royal Marines have. And such a unit could theoretically do maneuvers and special ops with the CMC. Maybe not with the 34th FIST or 3rd Platoon, but that is totally up to the Authors. And they are always looking for fresh ideas.
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Re: what about those other proud units?
Posted: 26 Dec 09 8:48 AM Modified By DavidS on 12/26/2009 8:50:30 AM)
Here's something you don't know. Nobody does, actually. When Dan and I started this project, way back in 1995, I wrote a bible for the series. The fifth paragraph reads:

"Earth's government is the World League. In the late 21st century, the US, China, Switzerland, Brazil, and the Union of South Africa formed an uneasy alliance to run the world. Most other nation-states are semi-autonomous, but dependent on one or another of the six main countries. A few maintain a fierce independence, but generally find it in their best interests to cooperate with the WL."

The "World League" never had a role in any of the books; it was superceded by a unified world government, with its capital in Fargo. Anyway, the Confederation of Human Worlds was formed by Earth's government. You will notice in that quote from the bible that neither France nor Holland was one of the originating nation-states.

The US Marines claim spiritual descent from the Royal Marines who, I believe, were the first modern Marine Corps. Most other Marine Corps in the world today are modeled after either the US or the Royal Marines.

I knew one Dutch Marine. Ex-Dutch Marine, actually. He came to the US when his enlistment was up and enlisted in the USMC. We were in Boot Camp together. He was rather shocked by the experience, and told me that US Marine training was much tougher than its Dutch counterpart. Before anybody gets upset, that was then. How things were then doesn't mean that's how they are now. For all I know, today's Dutch Marine training is tougher than the US Marines' Boot Camp.
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Re: what about those other proud units?
Posted: 26 Dec 09 8:54 AM
Yes, I should have mentioned...

When Dan and I proof read the page proofs of Recoil, I remarked to Dan that I really liked those characters, and I hoped that Del Rey would give us a contract for more of the Force Recon novels. Unfortunately, DR wasn't satisfied with the Force Recon sales and decided to discontinue the series.
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