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armyblank
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Re: Mornin' all
Posted: 20 Jan 07 8:26 AM
Is that how the term screw up move up came about?
mclark
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Re: Mornin' all
Posted: 20 Jan 07 1:46 PM

 Finucane wrote
Now that we're on the subject of correct nautical terms, we had to read a bunch of StarWars novels and such to write JEDI TRIAL.  I remember one in particular.  Can't recall the author's name or the book's title (but he's a very popular genre author).  In the first chapter he has Anakin or someone going to the "front"of the ship.  That was it, no more of his stuff for me.


I realize that practically all science fiction writers assume that it will be nautical terms, not aircraft, that will be extended to space travel.  However, note carefully which service is most in charge of US spaceflight: it is the US Air Force.  Not the Navy.  I believe the same is true of Soviet/Russian spaceflight.

That being the case, it is completely reasonable that the forward part of the spacecraft is termed the "front".  You'll note that the person in command of the spacecraft (of shuttles, at least) is the "Commander", not the "Captain".  In Navy parlance, even if the commander of the ship is a lowly lieutenant j.g., he or she is called "Captain" while in command.  Not so in spaceflight.

My parents and both my stepparents worked for Douglas Aircraft, later McDonnell-Douglas, in the commercial aircraft division.  They referred to each of the aircraft they were working on as a "ship", as in "Ship number 7876", but they never spoke of "bow" or "stern". 

Because of gravity, it might be of some use to have directional terms for left and right, or port and starboard, when it comes to naval ships and aircraft, but in space there is no gravity and all three dimensions come into play.  So left, right, port and starboard are all of lesser utility there.

Well, anyway, that's my two cents.
Finucane
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Re: Mornin' all
Posted: 20 Jan 07 5:41 PM

Comrade Citizen Mike:  Now the space shuttles are really atmospheric machines hoised into space on a rocket so the terms the shuttle crew use to describe parts of their aircraft do not apply, or will not, to deep-space vehicles.  I note here they are the "nose" and "tail" sections in atmospheric machines, not "front" and "back."  In naval parlance the rear part of an aircraft is referred to as the "aft" section too.  "Bow" and "stern" apply to seagoing vessels, of course.  Since nobody now spends months or years aboard a spacecraft that does anything except circle the earth, it's perfectly reasonable to expect that when we do go into on long voyages in space the old maritime terms will be used, so it'll be aft, bow, port, starboard, ladder, companionway, deck and so on.  You'll note there is no "air force" in the Starfist universe.  Anyway, the convention in SF is to use the nautical terms and we observe that.

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Re: Mornin' all
Posted: 22 Jan 07 5:05 PM

 DavidS wrote
To the Marines, "retreat" means "run away"--which, of course, Marines don't do. Withdraw, sure, run away, no.

Yes, I have also been told that Marines don't retreat...just attack in a different direction!


Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli
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Re: Mornin' all
Posted: 23 Jan 07 3:53 AM
Deadders, you're back!  Good heavens, we were about to start dragging the river for you!
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