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armyblank
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Posted: 24 Oct 06 3:41 PM
 Deadshot wrote

History Channel has a great piece on that battle.  Worst job to have: Flame Thrower!  Didn't know that battle had the most CMH's.  Also, as my father-in-law the Marine reminds me, the Marines controled the Pacific in WWII.  They held off the Japs while da Army cruised around Europe.

 

 

My Gramps was in the Army during 1944 Pacific theater.  So they were right with the Marines.  Got drunk with him when I first enlisted talked about it the one and only time.  He had it rough.  He still stayed in for 29 years til retirement.  And the kids now aday whine like little babies if the can't plug in their Xbox.

Deadshot
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Posted: 24 Oct 06 4:01 PM

 Finucane wrote
Deadders:  Not quite.  There were army elements involved on Iwo Jimal (164th Inf. Regt., 25th Inf. Div., Americal Div.) and the Southwest Pacific was controlled by MacArthur who liberated New Guinea and  the Philippines (I & XI Army Corps).

Ok, how do I tell a Marine he's wrong?


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shadowghost1
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Posted: 24 Oct 06 7:25 PM

Well your father-in-law is partially right.  The Marines did control the north and east parts of the Pacific theater.  Also the Marines were the main element in the island hopping scheme.  There were army units that fought alongside the Marines in a few of the campaigns.  The most notable one that I know of is Peileilu.  Army was also there on a neighboring island during the fight for Guadalcanal.  However, the Marines made more beach landings than the Army (big ones that grabbed attention).  There were several units of army paratroopers (not the right word but basically what they were) in the Pacific.  As Mr. Finucane said, the Army was mainly in the south and west of the Pacific theater.  MacArthur's big concern was winning back the Philippines.  Also MacArthur thought the island hopping campaigns were nothing but a bunch of crap.  He wanted all forces focused on the Philippines and China.  Who knows who was right, but I think Nimitz was right in sticking with the island hopping.  China would have taken too long to retake because they would have had to retake every part of that continent before turning their attention to Japan.  Iwo Jima gave a much better landing point for damaged planes and for fighter bases.  It was much closer than China and left fewer places for the Japanese to hide.  We would have had to take Iwo and Okinawa anyways and taking all the major islands south of those two islands made sure the Japanese could not mess with our rear elements (i.e. hospital ships, supply routes, supply depots, etc).

The US controlled the seas by the time late 1943 early 1944 rolled around and they could resupply the islands easier than they could have troops in China.

shadowghost1
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Posted: 24 Oct 06 7:42 PM

One thing I forgot about going the China route instead of the island hopping route:

We most likely would have had to clear most of those islands anyways to create a viable resupply route to China.  Also some of those islands served as temporary hospital points for the injured.

mclark
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Posted: 25 Oct 06 1:31 AM
The Army's main mission in connection with invasions over beaches is not beach-head grabbing, but beach-head exploitation.  The Marines are in fact, the few, even if they are the proud.  So with all that ocean and those little islands in the Pacific, of course the Marines were the premier force.  But there were too few Marines for massive undertakings like D-Day.  I've never heard that there was a single Marine involved in that one.

My Army unit trained at Camp Pendleton twice, and had the opportunity few GI's get: landing on the beach using Marine tactics.  I was impressed at one of the classes we attended to hear that if the first wave on the beach in an opposed landing suffers only 50% casualties it is considered very remarkable.
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